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	<title>Comments on: Christians: Can Prov 22:15 be interpreted any other way than being commanded to spank your children?</title>
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		<title>By: Gentle Spirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gentle Spirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before sharing my story below, I&#039;d like to comment that most pro-spanking parents are &quot;not&quot; going back to the original scriptures from ancient Hebrew and Greek.  It&#039;s necessary to use a literal word for word translations, such as an ESV or NASB, *not* a paraphrase (The Message, NIV, Living).  In original scriptures, you will see that the bible does not advocate spanking.  Please google grace-based parenting, and you will find articles explaining this.  The following is a good article that explains it well: http://www.christianitytoday.com/momsense/2003/summer/6.50.html

I grew up in a loving, Christian home and was spanked (not in an abusive way).  The spankings always seemed wrong to me, and because I was a child, it seemed traumatic.  I couldn&#039;t understand why my parents would want to &quot;damage&quot; me... I honestly felt I was being abused.  Naturally, this made me angry at my parents.  I was constantly having to forgive.  I turned out a good, loving person &quot;despite&quot; being spanked.  I turned out because I was taught right from wrong, and in my heart, I knew that&#039;s what I wanted for myself.  My brother was spanked more than me, and I think all that did was make him all the more rebellious.  He&#039;s a good guy, but he&#039;s still a rebel - not leading the Christian life my parents thought &quot;spanking&quot; him would ensure.  I think spankings only make rebellious kids &quot;more&quot; rebellious.  Children should obey because they want to, not out of &quot;fear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before sharing my story below, I&#8217;d like to comment that most pro-spanking parents are &#8220;not&#8221; going back to the original scriptures from ancient Hebrew and Greek.  It&#8217;s necessary to use a literal word for word translations, such as an ESV or NASB, *not* a paraphrase (The Message, NIV, Living).  In original scriptures, you will see that the bible does not advocate spanking.  Please google grace-based parenting, and you will find articles explaining this.  The following is a good article that explains it well: <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/momsense/2003/summer/6.50.html">http://www.christianitytoday.com/momsense/2003/summer/6.50.html</a></p>
<p>I grew up in a loving, Christian home and was spanked (not in an abusive way).  The spankings always seemed wrong to me, and because I was a child, it seemed traumatic.  I couldn&#8217;t understand why my parents would want to &#8220;damage&#8221; me&#8230; I honestly felt I was being abused.  Naturally, this made me angry at my parents.  I was constantly having to forgive.  I turned out a good, loving person &#8220;despite&#8221; being spanked.  I turned out because I was taught right from wrong, and in my heart, I knew that&#8217;s what I wanted for myself.  My brother was spanked more than me, and I think all that did was make him all the more rebellious.  He&#8217;s a good guy, but he&#8217;s still a rebel &#8211; not leading the Christian life my parents thought &#8220;spanking&#8221; him would ensure.  I think spankings only make rebellious kids &#8220;more&#8221; rebellious.  Children should obey because they want to, not out of &#8220;fear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rapsson2003</title>
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		<dc:creator>rapsson2003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the first answer is perfect, but must correct some people who have made some incorrect interpretations on &#039;rod&#039; and the confusion with the word &#039;staff&#039;.

The Bible uses the words &#039;rod&#039; and &#039;staff&#039;.  The rod is for correction and the staff is for guidance.  The shepherd used a staff to gather in sheep straying from the fold.  He also used it as a means of protection from animals that would seek to devour the lambs.  The &#039;rod&#039; was typically a correction stick.

You can interpret &#039;spare the rod and spoil the child&#039; as &#039;thou shalt spank thy children&#039; and/OR you can apply the concept - which the first answer has outlined...not so much the manner with which you apply loving discipline but the fact that you DO apply it.

The rod in Proverbs is speaking about discipline (corporal or not).

Consider Psalm 23 if you do not believe there is a difference between &#039;rod&#039; and &#039;staff&#039;....

 &quot;....thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.....&quot;
Both are necessary to raise children to be responsible, contributing adults in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the first answer is perfect, but must correct some people who have made some incorrect interpretations on &#8216;rod&#8217; and the confusion with the word &#8216;staff&#8217;.</p>
<p>The Bible uses the words &#8216;rod&#8217; and &#8216;staff&#8217;.  The rod is for correction and the staff is for guidance.  The shepherd used a staff to gather in sheep straying from the fold.  He also used it as a means of protection from animals that would seek to devour the lambs.  The &#8216;rod&#8217; was typically a correction stick.</p>
<p>You can interpret &#8216;spare the rod and spoil the child&#8217; as &#8216;thou shalt spank thy children&#8217; and/OR you can apply the concept &#8211; which the first answer has outlined&#8230;not so much the manner with which you apply loving discipline but the fact that you DO apply it.</p>
<p>The rod in Proverbs is speaking about discipline (corporal or not).</p>
<p>Consider Psalm 23 if you do not believe there is a difference between &#8216;rod&#8217; and &#8216;staff&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p> &quot;&#8230;.thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me&#8230;..&quot;<br />
Both are necessary to raise children to be responsible, contributing adults in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Can Prov 22:15 be interpreted any other way 
&gt;than being commanded to spank your children?

YES. It certainly does teach that corporal punishment is ONE way to punish disobedient children/teens/others.

It is in God&#039;s Word, but also notice who wrote the Book of Proverbs. It records the guidelines of the wisest MAN ... but remember, he also did some very stupid-sounding things!

&gt;Do I just need to have faith and do it because I am 
&gt;commanded to... 

NO.  An older child, who isn&#039;t responding to your teaching, may need a &quot;wake-up call&quot; applied to his/her backside. For a 2 year old, I think your method &quot;hold her even tighter when her heart has strayed&quot; sounds about right. And maybe her &quot;heart has strayed&quot; ... and maybe it is just that she is a 2 year old, learning, inquisitive, exploring, etc.

&gt;will this bring comfort and confidence 
&gt;that I am doing the right thing?

Not if you are actually doing the wrong thing. YES, Proverbs provides guidance. 

Maybe a 12 year old needs a real &amp; SHARP STINGING wake-up call. Not a 2 year old.  Not even if Susannah Wesley used a switch.  Of course, she had 17 children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Can Prov 22:15 be interpreted any other way<br />
&gt;than being commanded to spank your children?</p>
<p>YES. It certainly does teach that corporal punishment is ONE way to punish disobedient children/teens/others.</p>
<p>It is in God&#8217;s Word, but also notice who wrote the Book of Proverbs. It records the guidelines of the wisest MAN &#8230; but remember, he also did some very stupid-sounding things!</p>
<p>&gt;Do I just need to have faith and do it because I am<br />
&gt;commanded to&#8230; </p>
<p>NO.  An older child, who isn&#8217;t responding to your teaching, may need a &quot;wake-up call&quot; applied to his/her backside. For a 2 year old, I think your method &quot;hold her even tighter when her heart has strayed&quot; sounds about right. And maybe her &quot;heart has strayed&quot; &#8230; and maybe it is just that she is a 2 year old, learning, inquisitive, exploring, etc.</p>
<p>&gt;will this bring comfort and confidence<br />
&gt;that I am doing the right thing?</p>
<p>Not if you are actually doing the wrong thing. YES, Proverbs provides guidance. </p>
<p>Maybe a 12 year old needs a real &amp; SHARP STINGING wake-up call. Not a 2 year old.  Not even if Susannah Wesley used a switch.  Of course, she had 17 children.</p>
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		<title>By: mrs.nikita_ramirez</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrs.nikita_ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should parent as your heart tells you to. If you don&#039;t feel comfortable or it&#039;s not working for you, try something else. Everyone parents different and you can&#039;t really ask this question and expect a straight answer that is the RIGHT answer. Because your going to hear &#039;beat the sh*t out of em&#039;&#039; &#039;love them&#039;, &#039;do both&#039;. My honest decipline precedures in my home (2,5,7 year olds) is balanced love, support, structure, routine, and decipline. Decipline is successful when you&#039;re child is aware of their surroundings, bears respect for theirself and others and has an understanding of life and eventually when they are grown...will be able to take care of themselves. It really just boils down to that. And also remember; a child that has never had someone show them the way and correct them when they are wrong or endangering themselves...it usually leads to something bad. Corrupt future, young death, depression. Believe it or not...humans NEED structure in their life and with disipline young and old children with normal mental compacity &#039;blossom&#039; better :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should parent as your heart tells you to. If you don&#8217;t feel comfortable or it&#8217;s not working for you, try something else. Everyone parents different and you can&#8217;t really ask this question and expect a straight answer that is the RIGHT answer. Because your going to hear &#8216;beat the sh*t out of em&#8221; &#8216;love them&#8217;, &#8216;do both&#8217;. My honest decipline precedures in my home (2,5,7 year olds) is balanced love, support, structure, routine, and decipline. Decipline is successful when you&#8217;re child is aware of their surroundings, bears respect for theirself and others and has an understanding of life and eventually when they are grown&#8230;will be able to take care of themselves. It really just boils down to that. And also remember; a child that has never had someone show them the way and correct them when they are wrong or endangering themselves&#8230;it usually leads to something bad. Corrupt future, young death, depression. Believe it or not&#8230;humans NEED structure in their life and with disipline young and old children with normal mental compacity &#8216;blossom&#8217; better :]</p>
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		<title>By: blue boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blue boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firstly, congratulations and welcome to the family! Things will only get tougher from here as you have a whole new prospective on things and a conscience in which God speaks.

I too love my children as the gift they are to my wife and me. In that I also want them to grow to become strong Christians and good people in general. I believe that to &quot;spare the rod and spoil the child&quot; means that as parents we need to maintain discipline with our children so that they learn right from wrong. You can &quot;time-out&quot; them or spank them appropriately. 

After you have disciplined in whatever way ask God to give you insight into their spirit; is it remorse, stubborn or hurt? That way you can love on them and pray with them so they understand that they must honour you according to Gods request. 

Always finish with prayer with them and for them. Don&#039;t give satan the opportunity to get a hold in your child heart or mind.

(it is tough to go into too much detail with an answer like this, but you are welcome to email me if I can be of assistance to you at all)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firstly, congratulations and welcome to the family! Things will only get tougher from here as you have a whole new prospective on things and a conscience in which God speaks.</p>
<p>I too love my children as the gift they are to my wife and me. In that I also want them to grow to become strong Christians and good people in general. I believe that to &quot;spare the rod and spoil the child&quot; means that as parents we need to maintain discipline with our children so that they learn right from wrong. You can &quot;time-out&quot; them or spank them appropriately. </p>
<p>After you have disciplined in whatever way ask God to give you insight into their spirit; is it remorse, stubborn or hurt? That way you can love on them and pray with them so they understand that they must honour you according to Gods request. </p>
<p>Always finish with prayer with them and for them. Don&#8217;t give satan the opportunity to get a hold in your child heart or mind.</p>
<p>(it is tough to go into too much detail with an answer like this, but you are welcome to email me if I can be of assistance to you at all)</p>
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