Why do you suppose sabbath keepers do not recognize the cognitive dissonance extant in their beliefs?
For instance, they say over and over again, like a broken record, they are saved by grace, yet have to keep the law or risk losing salvation. Isn’t this just twisting semantics? Isn’t this really saying they have to keep the law and sabbath in order to be saved? In other words, what happens if they quit keeping the sabbath? They lose salvation; they have to keep the sabbath in order to be saved; a false gospel.
They agree one is "dead to the law" yet still obligated to keep it. This is like saying you are freed from a marriage covenant should your mate die, but somehow you are still obligated to keep that marriage covenant with the dead person!
They claim the law remains inviolate down to jots and tittles, then claim some of the law is not required of them, and those points of law they do keep they alter way beyond jots and tittles.
You hear them say they are proclaiming the "truth" of the sabbath, but never the "truth" about Christ or the gospel.
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More than likely, Seventh-day [Saturday] Sabbath keepers are able to hear the truth just fine. It is the OP, and Chris/David, whom cannot hear the cognitive dissonance extant in their own propaganda. What these two preach is in direct opposition to the express Word of God and, as such, they have joined the ranks of the many antichrists in this world. They have lost their love of the truth and are given over, by God, to strong delusions such that they will find comfort in believing the devil’s lies (2Thes. 2) — which is a sin unto death (1John 5:16-20).
God bless.
leave them be
sabbath day or Lords Day, i dont argue on this issue any more, ill leave it to Jesus, until then ill rely on His work and not my own.
yeah if they believe in freedom why not keep sunday just like the disciples did??
True. They do that all the time.
But many so-called "evangelical" groups do that too. They’ll say "I’m saved by faith in Jesus, BUT, you must do works to ‘prove’ your salvation!", which is just a false gospel of works that cannot save anyone (Galatians 1:6-9).
True salvation is found in John 3:16
Why do you suppose sabbath keepers do not recognise the cognitive dissonance extant in their beliefs?
They’ve got the bass turned up way too far!
they understand what you do not–that the sabbath is a delight
Smart man. Christ’s death did abolish the law. This means Christ fulfilled the promise God made to Abraham and King David for a kingdom of their line (blood line) that would rule indefinitely. When Jesus died and was resurrected, this was done. We are no longer under any of these laws including the law of sabbaths.
We are not saved by any grace. The saving is when God’s true people live through the "Great Tribulation" and the final battle of "Armageddon". This is what they will be saved from. Including later after the millennial reign of Christ when there will be a destruction with the second death. Don’t lump all Christians together with the word "them". God has only ever had one people on earth and it is still that way. His true followers don’t have a religion they have faith.
I don’t get it
am I stupid? Or is it confusing… :/
Jesus himself made it clear that to be saved a person must keep the commandments.
(see Matt. 19:16-23)
The "Law" that was no longer to be kept was the Law of Sacrifice. The reason was because that law had come to pass. Jesus had fulfilled that law. He was the sacrifice. The animal sacrifices were to remind them that He would come and make this sacrifice for them.
There is no law in the basic 10 that has been abolished.
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
Keeping the Sabbath is a sign of our devotion and commitment to God and keeping it lets us know that He is our Lord.
Who would not want that promise in their lives?
Nowhere does it say that the keeping of the Sabbath had ended.
The apostles kept it after Christ died. Why not us?
Hogie, I think you are the one that the devil has twisted the mind of. Sabbath isn’t about a saved by works issue. Its simply a matter of obedience. Love causes us to obey. And guess what salvation is only through Jesus Christ. Further works won’t save me you or anyone else. But when we love Jesus the one who saves us then we do what we are told. We have forgiveness and mercy when we don’t but that doesn’t mean we should disobey on purpose.
How little you understand. And your comments show how the Word of God is TWISTED by those who preach AGAINST obedience to God.
Perhaps a secular analogy would help all those who are deceived by reasoning such as yours.
Keeping the laws of the land does not grant one the Presidency. Nor does it get you a job or a promotion or a raise. But NOT keeping the laws of the land will keep you FROM getting any of those things.
Keeping God’s Law is not the MEANS to salvation, but the WAY of salvation. One does not keep the Law to GET saved, but to continue in salvation. Salvation CANNOT be earned! no matter how much of God’s Law is kept. But one who turns their backs on God by NOT keeping his Law, shows that they do not want it and therefore will lose it.
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Talk about a broken record, I noticed that there had not been any new Sabbath questions for several days so you had to create some. Talk about a single issue person. Know anything else?
It all boils down to this:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 This is the last word. All has been said. Have fear of God and keep his laws; because this is right for every man.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
According to the Christ, what will you be called in the Kingdom of Heaven?
1John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
According to what the Almighty inspired John to write, who do you love?
While it is certainly true that there is absolutely nothing we can do to earn our salvation (Romans 6:23), it is also true that if we are not doing the things commanded us then we will not even be considered.
Lawkeeping will never save anyone, but lawbreaking will surely kill us (Romans 6:23).
Matthew 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Ecc 12:13 Let us hearH8085
H8085
שׁמע
shâma‛
shaw-mah’
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the conclusionH5490
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From H5486; a termination: – conclusion, end, hinder part.
of the wholeH3605 matter:H1697
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כּול כּלo
kôl kôl
kole, kole
From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): – (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever).
FearH3372 (H853)
H3372
ירא
yârê’
yaw-ray’
A primitive root; to fear; morally to revere; causatively to frighten: – affright, be (make) afraid, dread (-ful), (put in) fear (-ful, -fully, -ing). (be had in) reverence (-end), X see, terrible (act, -ness, thing).
God,H430 and keepH8104
H8104
שׁמר
shâmar
shaw-mar’
A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.: – beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).
his commandments:H4687
H4687
מצוה
mitsvâh
mits-vaw’
From H6680; a command, whether human or divine (collectively the Law): – (which was) commanded (-ment), law, ordinance, precept.
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אדם
‘âdâm
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From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): – X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
(Check out Genesis 1 to see how many times this word is used)
Not of a Jew only:
H3064
יהוּדי
yehûdı̂y
yeh-hoo-dee’
Patronymic from H3063; a Jehudite (that is, Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah): – Jew.
Or an Israelite only:
H3478
ישׂראל
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yis-raw-ale’
From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God; Jisrael, a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: – Israel.
Or a stranger:
H1616
גּיר גּר
gêr gêyr
gare, gare
From H1481; properly a guest; by implication a foreigner: – alien, sojourner, stranger.
Or a gentile:
G1672
Ἕλλην
Hellēn
hel’-lane
From G1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek speaking person, especially a non-Jew: – Gentile, Greek.
Isa 56:1-8 Thus says the LORD: "Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my deliverance be revealed. (2) Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." (3) Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." (4) For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, (5) I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. (6) "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant– (7) these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (8) The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, declares, "I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered."
Compare this with Romans 11.
Edit: This new book you are working on must be a doozy.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the *psalms*, concerning me.
The Messiah speaks to look into what is written in the Torah of Moses, the Prophets, and the PSALMS concerning Him who is the Living Word of God = THE LIVING TORAH.
Truth defined in the Psalms:
Psa 119:29 Remove the false way from me, And graciously grant me Thy Law (Torah).
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Thy law (Torah) is truth.
Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O YHVH, And all Thy commandments are truth.
For the descendants of Avraham the "Way" is Torah, the "Truth" is Torah, and "Life" is Torah. No man can come to the Father except through the Torah:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way (TORAH), and the truth (TORAH), and the life (TORAH); no one comes to the Father, but through Me.
THE WAY:
Deu 5:33 "You shall walk in all the *way* which YHVH your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess.
THE TRUTH:
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Thy TORAH is *truth*.
THE LIFE:
Deu 30:20 by loving YHVH your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your *life* and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which YHVH swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them."
hi Mr. Hoagie, "I" never ever said we were dead to the Law, it is forever and ever as told in Psalms, and the Sabbath is still the Sabbath, the 7th day from Firday at sundown until Saturday at sundown, if you’ll read in the NT the desciples kept it
regarding the Sabbath, we do not Honor it because we "have" to, we "want" to, we are obedient and it is a Law isn’t it, it is the 4th Commandment. When one has a close relationship with Him, one desires to please Him, He gave us this day, deemed it Holy and set it aside to Worship and Glorify Him and to take rest, sounds like a blessed Gift to me 
so please don’t "generalize nor twist words" 
Seek deeper into God’s Word and Law = Truth as He tells us all to do or be decieved, for the path is indeed "narrow" my friend 
God Bless and Keep You Hoagie