What can happen if my fiance leaves the Army forever and dont go back to Iraq when he has to?
He is deployed and wants to go AWOL when he takes his vacation. He wants to never go back into the Army. What can happen to him for deserting the Army in time of war? If he leaves the Army, how our life is going to be like? Can he get a job? Use his social security for a job? Will his credit get messed up? Can he ever travel? What are we going to have to deal with?
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For the first 30 days, it is considered UA…unauthorized absence. He can go back, ask for mercy, and likely suffer only 45 days restriction and extra duty, forfeiture of pay for 3 months, and a reduction in rank.
After 30 days, he is facing serious time on vacation at Sunny Fort Leavenworth, possibly a Dishonorable Discharge (meaning that he’ll never get a decent job again), and likely more penalties as well. A warrant will be issued for his arrest; he’ll need to never get a ticket, file a police report, visit anyone in jail, be in an accident, be a witness to a crime, go through customs, etc, because they will arrest him on the spot and turn him over to the Army. He’ll lose his VA benefits, including GI Bill and Health Care.
It really is best for him to finish his term.
DONT LET HIM DO IT !!!!!
He will become a criminal, essentially. He will be denied his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. I believe he’ll be a federal criminal. I strongly suggest he not go AWOL. Your lives will become much harder if he does.
http://legal-assistance.monmouth.army.mil/docs/mjal/DA%20Pam%20630-1%20AWOL%20AND%20THE%20CONSEQUENCES.pdf
I wouldnt suggest him go AWOL. Its basically going to screw up everything.
He can be tried for AWOL and desertion by a military court.
There will be a federal arrest warrant out against him. He’d be subject to arrest at any time, even at a routine traffic stop. He would receive a dishonorable discharge and do jail time. That record will stay with him, impacting what jobs he can get regardless of his skills. He cannot register to vote. He may face difficulty getting a passport.
I hope he likes jail time.
Travel will be very very difficult, his name will be entered into the National Crime Information computer system so every law enforcement officer in the country will arrest him on site if they identify him.
He will never receive Social Security, Medicade, Medicare or any other government benefit. The only jobs he will be able to get are jobs where he doesn’t have to show a social security card. Those jobs are usually help by illegal aliens or criminals.
His credit wont get messed up, it will cease to exists, people don’t lone money to criminals.
The years and years of pain fear and misery you are about to subject yourself to cannot be described here.
Good luck to him ever finding another job if he becomes a deserter. Of course after you have read all of the other posters, you will find that it will be the least of his worries.
If he goes AWOL, he will be committing a crime, one without a statute of limitations (meaning he can always be prosecuted for it, even years and years later). He will be able to be traced through his social security number if he works. His passport will also likely to be flagged, so he would not be able to travel outside of the country. Your fiancee will be a hunted fugitive.
The general penalty for desertion is 5 years confinement. The death penalty is allowed for desertion in time of war. So far, in the Iraq war the death penalty has not been pursued and is not likely to be.
Harboring a deserter, which is what you would be doing if you lived together after he deserts, can lead to up to 3 years in prison.
My understanding is that Canada is denying asylum for deserters, although they did take in deserters during the Vietnam war.
As much as I hate to say it, his best bet is to stick it out. Most deserters *are* caught. Very few ever get away clean.
It isn’t worth it. Its a lot easier to just complete his enlistment. If he thinks that’s tough to do he will find out it is a lot tougher going AWOL. He WILL be caught and he’ll suffer the consequences and they aren’t pretty.
Do both of you a favor and tie him down when he gets back and possibly beat some sense into him (I herd golf clubs are good.) Going AWOL is a seriously BAD decision. And in today’s world Canada and Mexico isn’t far enough. He could be tried if caught, and then there is also a good chance he will spend his life in a mental institution if he has a good lawyer.
Needless to say this will also have many affects on your life as well.
He would be better off shooting himself in the foot most likely. Besides it could get him an extra long vacation to think about things.
Have him talk to the chaplain. There are better ways of getting out other then going AWOL. It will take time but if he goes AWOL you and his life is ruined.
The government will find him. He will go to jail. When he gets out it will be hard for you guys to do anything.
Don’t listen to these idiots. Go AWOL. You want him to die? I went AWOL in 2003 and stayed gone for 2 years. If he has money, go AWOL, stay gone as long as possible and then turn yourself in at Fort Sill or Fort Knox. They will almost always give you an OTH, other than honorable discharge. It doesn’t affect your ability to get a job. It has nothing whatsoever to do with credit and won’t affect the credit at all. The army almost never prosecutes deserters unless he did something wrong. The government doesn’t even look for AWOL guys unless you live in a tiny town and cops have nothing to do.
Iraq sucks and it isn’t worth his life. Even a year in prison is better….but he won’t go there. Just go AWOL,stay gone a year, turn yourself into Fort Sill and you’ll be out within a week.
To Jon Mac- So in other words your basically saying the most time a person will spend time in jail is a week? What about these people saying that the least amount of time spent in jail is 5 years. How true is that?
from LF
He will have to be very careful and do it right. There is no room for error. He should begin by purchasing “The Paper Trip” or other fake-ID publications from companies like Loompanics on the Internet. Have him order the book with a prepaid debit card NOT in his name (use a fake one). He should use a UPS/Mail Boxes Etc. mailbox as his mailing address, rented under a fake name. Until he gets a driver’s license in a fake name, he should take public transportation. Remember, attention to details! He should also use 120 or 150 grit sandpaper to obliterate his fingerprints. Can be easily done. Did it myself. It works. Good luck to the both of you. Keep a low profile and establish a new identification and new life. Cheers! RFWAVELENGTH